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The US would be a much better nation without the GOP

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Ben Armbruster at ThinkProgress:

Today, Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) brought her bill — the Homeless Women Veterans and Homeless Veterans With Children Act — to the Senate floor seeking unanimous consent. Murray said the bill would “expand assistance for homeless women veterans and homeless veterans with children and would increase funding and extend federal grant programs to address the unique challenges faced by these veterans.” However, Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) objected on behalf of Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) to this seemingly non-controversial issue:

McCONNELL: Madam president, reserving the right to object and I will have to object on behalf of my colleague Sen. Coburn from Oklahoma. He has concerns about this legislation, particularly as he indicates in a letter that I’ll ask the Senate to appear on the record that it be paid for up front so that the promises that makes the Veterans are in fact kept. So madam president I object.

Watch it:

This is pretty low, even for Republicans,” the Washington Monthly’s Steve Benen said. While Murray pledged to continue to fight for the bill’s passage, Majority Leader Harry Reid’s (D-NV) spokesperson said “Republicans have their priorities backwards — according to them, it’s OK to give tax breaks to CEOs who send American jobs overseas, but not to help out-of-work Americans and homeless veteran.”

How does the GOP hold its reputation for supporting the troops with actions like this?

Written by LeisureGuy

29 June 2010 at 3:23 pm

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  1. War is hell, and so is political infighting. The PAYGO rule says every “non emergency” budget item needs a source of funds. The lazy do nothing congress doesn’t want to bother making a real budget, so they let important issues like this become a political football. GOP is standing tough on the principle of PAYGO needs to be enforced, and Democrats count on getting people pissed at Republicans for blocking unemployment, homeless vets, etc to show how bad the Republicans are. This game is getting old. November is coming and it’s time to clean house of congress.

    hoboduke

    29 June 2010 at 5:44 pm

  2. My view is that the GOP is deliberately blocking any sort of stimulus funds in full knowledge that the result will be to plunge the nation into recession, with millions of jobs lost and all that that entails, and the GOP is willing to do this on the belief that this will hurt the Dems at the polls—and, if the GOP can maintain the recession, possibly deepening it further—in 2012.

    It clearly and obviously is not what you state: that the GOP has a principled belief in PAYGO. Did you not observe the first six years of the Bush presidency? Or were you simply not watching?

    LeisureGuy

    29 June 2010 at 5:58 pm

  3. I’m not watching anybody! The waste of money during the Bush presidency did piss me off. However, that was chump change with the Chicago Democrat Mob guys. So I don’t agree that the Democrats are bleeding hearts that don’t calculate how to make Republicans look bad. Republicans don’t need much help to look bad, but the Democrats ain’t no kind hearted do gooders either.

    hoboduke

    29 June 2010 at 8:09 pm

  4. I think you are factually wrong about the source of the deficit. By far the greatest contribution to the deficit was the Bush/GOP Congress tax cuts, along with going to war in Iraq: totally unnecessary, incredibly expensive, and not paid for at the time.

    Take a look at this post, which has a graph based on data from a NY Times article.

    If the GOP were serious about the deficit, they would not kill every proposal to increase the marginal tax rate for the wealthy, a rate now historically low. The GOP doesn’t care about the deficit. They just don’t want to help the unemployed.

    LeisureGuy

    30 June 2010 at 3:41 am

  5. It seems it’s too late. You drank the KoolAid! President B.O. has made all of us trillionaires! He just signed a marker for 13 trillion dollars, but don’t worry your grandkids will still be paying off his marker. 13 is not a lucky number. It does make me proud to know we are trillionaires!

    hoboduke

    30 June 2010 at 4:30 am

  6. I see you have no rational response when faced by facts. I’ve seen this pattern frequently before: when presented with facts, Republicans just start spewing word-salad with no attempt to respond to what’s said.

    LeisureGuy

    30 June 2010 at 6:59 am

  7. The US would not be the US without its two party system.
    People who espouse the ideology of “the world would be a better place if everyone would just think like me” are no different than those who would think the world a better place if everyone were of the same skin color, or spoke the same language.

    Anonymous

    30 June 2010 at 9:29 am

  8. I totally agree. If you’ll point out the person who’s calling for a single political party, I’ll happily argue with him.

    But it occurs to me that you are not thinking clearly here. My hope that the GOP wither away (something it’s doing just about as fast as it can, bringing in more candidates the caliber of Sharon Angle in Nevada, and tossing out candidates who are not inclined to be Tea-Party crazy). That doesn’t mean that there would then be one political party, and if you think that… well, I understand why you post anonymously.

    The Democrats are just about two parties already: Blue Dogs and Progressives. And there are Libertarians and (though not strong in this country yet) the Greens. You have an enormous range of political thought. But the GOP today is incapable of political thought, so far as I can tell. They operate out of reflex, depend solely on talking points, and when (as in this very comment thread) you attempt to engage them on the facts, they break down totally and cannot respond in any meaningful way. Today’s GOP adds no value, but indeed drives downward the political discourse.

    I could give you a list, but the point is that the US is in no danger of becoming a one-party country. I’m astonished that anyone would think it is.

    LeisureGuy

    30 June 2010 at 9:45 am

  9. The policies of the GOP have wrought immeasurable damage to the US and there is no question in my mind that the country would be much better off without them. I agree with LG that a good portion of the hole we are in today is due to the asinine actions under GW Bush: Two Unfunded Wars and two unfunded tax cuts, in the trillions for which there was no need and resulted in a waste of lives and govt revenue to say the very least. And here we sit, broke, listening to the incredible hypocritical BALLS of the GOP saying we have to stop the spending. It’s dumbfounding.

    Jeff

    30 June 2010 at 10:05 am

  10. I would add the TARP bailout to the GOP list—along with the incredible costs of the GOP’s deliberate effort to remove regulations (or, at the very least, not enforce them) that protect the public from business malefactors (BP, AIG, etc.).

    LeisureGuy

    30 June 2010 at 10:44 am

  11. Absolutely, and there’s even more: I forgot about the prescription drug benefit, over a trillion dollars cost to the govt. implemented under Bush, which to me is summed up by the following:

    1. Hey Seniors, here’s your $10 off govt coupon on your next bottle of $300/month pills!
    2. Hey America, look how we’re bringing down the cost of health care!

    Of course, the real intent of the prescription drug benefit was to assure by all means possible that the bottom line of big pharma was not touched. It did nothing to address the root causes of our horrible healthcare system , and put us in for a trillion dollars more.

    Jeff

    30 June 2010 at 10:54 am

  12. Yes, good one. And I recall the Bush Administration barring the government employee who figured out the actual cost from telling ANYONE. Then the guy who headed the legislative drive for Bush immediately got a cushy job at Big Pharma when it passed: the pay-off.

    LeisureGuy

    30 June 2010 at 11:10 am

  13. More evidence that the GOP is no longer interested in actually governing: whenever the Democrats adopt an idea that the GOP has advanced (cap-and-trade, for example), the GOP then immediately opposes its own ideas. This is not a serious political party.

    LeisureGuy

    30 June 2010 at 12:02 pm

  14. Also, take a look at this post by Steve Benen. From that post:

    Vice President Biden spoke at an event in his home town earlier, hoping to help raise some money for Chris Coons’ (D) Senate campaign. Biden raised an interesting point about the chamber he served in for several decades.

    VP Joe Biden on Monday accused Senate GOPers of holding their top members’ votes hostage in exchange for ranking committee posts, assailing the GOP as sitting “on the sidelines” while the economy nearly collapsed.

    “I know at least 7 [GOP] senators, who I will not name, but were made to make a commitment under threat of losing their chairmanships, if they did not support the leadership on every procedural vote,” Biden said at a fundraiser Monday night.

    “Every single thing we did, from the important to the not so important, required for the first time in modern American history, majority votes required 60 votes. All the sudden a majority became 60 instead of 50,” the VP added, according to a pool report of the event.

    Continue reading.

    This is no longer a functional political party.

    LeisureGuy

    30 June 2010 at 12:06 pm

  15. Right, it’s lock-step or-else with GOP.

    Jeff

    30 June 2010 at 12:15 pm

  16. After the SCOTUS voted the second amendment to stand secure in every state and hearing Palin “RELOAD!”, seeing her targets over Congressional districts, hearing “Obama is walking into everybody’s homes and stealing their guns!”, a GOP candidate in Tenn. bragging he sleeps with a loaded pistol under his pllow at night and the Arizona GOP beauty saying she can win and protect herself while shooting guns, along with a machine gun, in her ad and showing a boy how to fire a gun, we-e- e-ell, maybe the GOP will fracture into a Civil War and they’ll accidentally on purpose shoot each other. End of story.

    Joanaroo

    30 June 2010 at 8:02 pm


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